Archive for the ‘Brewery Queries’ Category

Morse and Woods, E & G Morse, Lowestoft, Suffolk

Saturday, February 16th, 2013

I am writing a short article on the above mentioned and I am seeking brewery information, stories from employees, photographs, press cuttings and breweriana of any sort including bottle or cask labels etc. If you have information or know someone who does then please contact me at eric@ericdore.plus.com

Eric Dore

Guinness to North America

Friday, April 8th, 2011

We have had the following query from Dave Thomas <beersleuth@earthlink.net>, one of our members in the United States:
 

Jeff,
I am writing a brewing history of Gilpin County, Colorado where I live. It is the smallest county in Colorado with only 5,000 residents today, whilst there were an estimated 15,000 gold and silver miners in the late 1850s and early 1860s.
Gold and silver mining began here in 1859 and brewing started in 1862, lasting until 1898.
One fact that I need to cover is what the thirsty miners drank from 1859 till 1862?
I presume it was mostly distilled spirits but wonder if Guinness made it this far west at that time?
Do you know where (or from whom) I might find out when Guinness first came to the U.S. and where it was distributed?
Thanks very much
Dave Thomas

As Diageo are Corporate members I forwarded Dave’s query to the ever helpful Christine in the Archives. She in, turn, forwarded it to Eibhlin in the Guinness Archive in Dublin (Don’t forget, we are due to visit this as part of our forthcoming day at St James’s Gate in June) and she has sent the following fascinating information:

 

Dear Jeff and Dave,

My colleague Christine in the Diageo Archive has forwarded your mail to the Guinness Archive in Dublin.

The first record we hold in the Guinness Archive of exports to the US, is a shipment to South Carolina in 1817. The next reference to GUINNESS stout in the US, is a shipment to New York in 1842. I don’t have a record of when GUINNESS stout first arrived in Colorado, I’m afraid.

Kind regards

Eibhlin

 

Thanks very much Eibhlin and Jeff. That is helpful to me,

Do you know what style of beer would have been shipped to South Carolina in 1817? As I understand it Guinness Stout was introduced in 1840.

It can possibly be surmised that a few hogsheads of Guinness Stout made their way west during the gold rushes of 1849 (California) and 1859 (Colorado).

Cheers

Dave

 

Hi Dave,

The early export records that we hold in the Guinness Archive are in a ledger entitled ‘Brewery Annals’ which cites the year of export to particular countries/ destinations in the 19th century.

The entry for 1817 reads ‘South Carolina 8 Hhds of Porter sent to one John Heavy, 16th Oct’, therefore the style of beer exported was Porter. (Guinness Extra Stout has its origins in 1821 when Arthur Guinness II laid down a recipe for ‘Extra Superior Porter’).

I have not come across any specific mentions of GUINNESS Porter/ stout being shipped west during the Gold Rush period; however, it is quite probable that GUINNESS stout was consumed out west during this period. The reason it is so hard to be definitive from the Guinness Archive records, is that the Guinness Company sold hogshead of beer to 3rd party bottling companies, mainly based in the UK, who in turn bottled, shipped and distributed the beer in overseas countries. Therefore any specific evidence of GUINNESS in particular parts of the US would lie in the records of the bottling companies who distributed the beer, and not with the Guinness brewery.

Kind regards

Eibhlin

Kidd and Hotblack, Cannon Brewery, Brighton

Sunday, January 2nd, 2011

Eric Dore has written asking for any general information about Kidd and Hotblack, the Cannon Brewery, Brighton – . I am especially keen to find photographs of the brewery – which I have never seen but they must surely exist given that most of the brewery was still standing in early 1969.

Eric does seem to have compiled quite a lot of basic information from the more readily available sources but would welcome much more, or pointers to sources.

He has provided the following information and questions:

KIDD AND HOTBLACK – SOME RESEARCH NOTES AND QUESTIONS – JAN 2011

1 Early History –  the original John Barnet(t) was brewing at the Cannon Brewery from 1821 having started brewing with his wife from his small home in Russell Street sometime earlier. He then built on the opposite side of the road to where he lived. Do we have any record of the plans (was planning permission or anything similar required?) for the brewery? Is it true that (according to H E S Simmons – HESS) the original brewer was succeeded by his son John? Was it John junior who died in 1870 or 1871 – if so, when did John senior die?

Peter Holtham (PH) refers to an article in Sussex Daily News in 1907, which dates the original business from the early 1800’s – do we have a copy of that article? How do we know that prior to 1821 John sold his beer from a truck around the streets of Brighton. I wonder if it was “bright” beer?!

2. Messrs Kidd – having acquired the Cannon Brewery in 1871, John and Frederick Kidd looked to grow the business. They had originally acquired 14 pubs in 1871 by lease and then purchased the same in 1884 – was that the total of the Cannon Brewery pubs in 1871? They then acquired the business/pubs of Ambrose Warde and William Thompson in 1876 (per PH) – is there any documentation for this – and (then as Kidd and Hotblack) the Palmeira Hotel, Hove in 1887.

Frederick had died in 1884 – John died in 1897 and according to the Brighton Herald (paper dated 13 March 1897) at the time of his death he was “the head of the firm Kidd and Hotblack …a prominent freemason, a….supporter of the Horticultural Society and a generous upholder of many causes.”

3. The Hotblack Years – after the death of Frederick Kidd, the brewery was run from 1884 by John Kidd in partnership with Herbert Arthur Hotblack who Graham Holter (GH) describes as a “Southend brewer”.  At the time, there were probably three “major” brewers in Southend – Commercial Brewery, Brewery Street (who it seems ceased trading in 1884) Middleton Brewery, High Street and Walkers Wellington Brewery, Nelson Street. Do we know where Herbert was brewing pre 1884?

After John Kidd died (in 1897) the brewery was run by Herbert Hotblack until 1900 and then by Frederick Mills Hotblack from 1900 to 1926 (per PH). Was Frederick the son of Herbert  and is it a coincidence that his first names were “borrowed” from the Kidd brothers!

Frederick Hotblack was therefore running the business at the time it became a limited liability company in November 1906 – are there any documentary records of this? Eliot Hotblack was listed as the brewer in 1917 (per GH) – was he Frederick’s son?

When did Herbert die? He was appointed a board member of Tamplins in 1926 (per GH) when the business and pubs of Kidd and Hotblack Ltd were acquired and the company went into voluntary liquidation.

4. The End Years – did Tamplins brew at Cannon Brewery after 1926? The general view was that they did but (per PH) the premises were used just as a beer depot from 1927 to 1964. When was the brewery finally demolished? As per PH it was c 1966 but GH says 1969 and HESS says that in April 1969 “the Cannon Brewery, much of which still remains, stood in Russell Street” 

5. The Beers of Kidd and Hotblack – so much for the history of the brewery/its personnel!  What were the beers and what were they like?  What do we know?  Well, historically, the beers were considered to be good because that meant that the original cottage industry set up by John Barnet(t) survived and indeed prospered!

I have evidence of the following beers

Draught

Red House Ale – stained glass window at Wick Inn (per PH)

Family XXX Ale – barrel label in my collection

India Pale Ale – barrel label in my collection

Bottled Beers – bottle labels in my collection

Pale Ale

Nourishing Stout

No 1

Family Stout

Is there evidence of other beers/its quality?

The company also bottled for Bass of Burton on Trent.

6. The Livery etc of Kidd and Hotblack – nothing is listed in the Brewery History Society archive. But I remember the red and black exterior and small Georgian windows at the Wick Inn, Hove (c 1965) – I bet the stained glass window has gone! I also remember drinking in a pub in Brighton in the 1990’s and realising that the “table” I was using was in fact a wooden barrel standing on its end – it was in good condition, painted red and black with the words “Kidd and Hotblack” clearly visible. What was the name of the pub and are the barrels (I believe that there were at least two) still in use. Are there other artefacts around that people are aware of?

7. Photographic Evidence – I have never seen any photo of the Cannon Brewery but given the fact that most of the building survived until 1969 there must be something, somewhere! There is a photo of a Kidd and Hotblack pub on the cover of GH’s book Sussex Breweries – what is the source for that ? Frustratingly, I cannot see a pub name – the street name is clearly visible “Upper Park Place” but then another frustration because there is no pub in that location listed on the extensive Brighton Library research of pubs operating at the time.

8. Researchers – I am grateful for the work of some of the following whose interest in Kidd and Hotblack, Sussex Breweries or the wider subject of UK breweries is known to me. I would be keen to hear if anyone knows of others who may have information

Peter Holtham – author of Seven Brighton Brewers (Sussex Industrial History Vol 22 – 1992) and Brewers of the Brighton Area (Vol 38 – 2008)

Graham Holter – author of Sussex Breweries ( published 2001)

H E S Simmons – author of Brighton Breweries – unpublished, so far as I know!

Roger Bristow

Alan Grainger

Keith Osborne

Eric Doré

2 January 2011

Roger’s Brewery, Bristol

Saturday, January 1st, 2011

Dear Sir / Madam,
My name is Colin Palmer. My Grandad, Edward Rogers, was associated with the family brewery by the same name. I am very keen to learn more about the Roger’s involvement in the firm and its history. Any photos would be much appreciated ! I have put Roger’s Brewery, Bristol, on Google and have found a limited amount of info plus one photo. If you have no information on this subject, would you be able to guide to who might please ? I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you,
Colin.

WEST RIDING BOTANICAL BREWERY Co, WATERLOO WORKS, PUDSEY

Tuesday, November 30th, 2010

We have had the following query about what is presumably a non alcoholic brewer

I have in my possession the bottle described below .

I have not been able to find any information about this brewery and I would appreciate any details you may be able to provide.

The wording on the shoulder of the bottle reads:

     TO BUY, SELL, OR

MAKE USE OF THIS BOTTLE

          IS ILLEGAL.

              1909

The wording on the side of the bottle reads:

          WEST RIDING

BOTANICAL BREWERY Co

    WATERLOO WORKS

              PUDSEY

PLEASE INSERT CORK WHEN EMPTY.

A small oval impression in the glaze of the bottle reads:

PEARSON & Co

 WHITTINGTON

     MOORE

CHESTERFIELD

Best regards

Charles H. Sharp.

“Breweries of Britain” map

Saturday, July 24th, 2010

To anyone who can help me.  I am looking for a copy of a “Breweries of Britain”  map that was produced by a Arthur L L Hopkin in 1952 and advertised in the “The Brewing Trade review of June 1952”.There is a copy in the Brewers Hall but they are unable to reproduce it. The one I saw was a 1976 edited version in Galbraiths Hotel in Auckland New zealand hanging on the wall.The map has the Brewers Company coat of arms at the top.I would like a copy to frame soley for personal use.I would cover any cost if I could obtain a copy .I would be most grate ful for any help.

Thankyou

Errol kelly

Errol kelly <lesley.errol@bigpond.com>

Mansell’s Brewery

Saturday, June 12th, 2010

Mike Peterson has received the following query – I list the chain so far to avoid the repeated exploration of dead ends. Needless to say if anyone has any inspiration do please let us know. Jeff

 

Do you have any beers for sale that would have been produced by Mansells?  I am also trying to find out if Mansells still exist, or whatever happened to the company.  Basically I am trying to track their history, but can’t seem to find anything on the Web.  Any suggestions?

Regards

Lynne Storry

 

Mike replied:

I have never heard of Mansells. Do you have any further information?

 

Hi Mike,

Mansells Brewery made Mansells Pale Ale, etc, and I believe they were either in Shropshire, Denbighshire or Birmingham.  I think it started up sometime in the mid to late 1800s, although beer was being brewed by them as long ago as the mid 1700s.  I have just been talking to someone who informed me that her late Father used to drink their beer.  My husband said that he remembers Mansells Brewery, but can’t remember any more.  Sorry, forgot to say that I am related to the Mansell family through my Mother, and we know that they had pubs through the 1800s into the 1900s.  Any help you could give me would be appreciated.

Lynne

 

There is no record of Mansells in any book I have. Are you sure you have got the name right?

There is Mansfield Brewery in Mansfield, Marstons of Burton in Staffordshire, Ansells of Aston in Birmingham, and probably many others. There was a brewery called Murless in Wrexham, Denbighshire. However, I can say with reasonable certainty that Mansells didn’t exist.
Cheers
Mike Peterson

 

Mansells have been mentioned to us by three different people, who do not know each other.  I said to them “do you mean Ansells in Birmingham” (I actually come from Birmingham) but they said no, there was definitely one called Mansells.  They all seemed to think that Shropshire rang a bell.  I really don’t know what to try next, but thank you very much for trying to help.

 

Hi
I have had one reply from a contact I have. He says;

The only Mansells I can find in the Friedrich index is –
John Mansell, 111 High Street, Marlborough, Wilts to 1887 and succeeded by Mrs Sarah Mansell finished in 1902.
This was the Royal Oak, a home brewed house. It was bought by Adams’ Marlborough Brewery, which ceased in 1917.

 

And I (Jeff) replied that I couldn’t find anything either, but added to observation:

I have just had a browse of the London Gazette – fascinating and you could spend days at it, but it will only pop instances (90 of them) of both words appearing on a page. As far as I can see you cannot search for the phrase, it just treats it as two words anywhere on the page. I only looked at the first 20 or so entries!

 

Lynne also sent in:

Hi Mike,

I found the following on a web site about the history of champagne:

 

French wine bottles at the time were not tough enough to withstand the pressure caused by carbon dioxide – a by-product of fermentation – and fermentation in a bottle would have caused the glass used at the time in France to shatter. But in England as early as 1630 a man named Sir Robert Mansell had developed a manufacturing process that incorporated iron and manganese into glass – resulting in very strong bottles. The second fact relates to bottle stoppers. In France glass, or wood wrapped in cloth, was employed to seal wine bottles. With such porous closures it would have been impossible to make a bottle fermented wine because the carbon dioxide would have blown them off. English wine bottles by contrast were sealed with cork – sourced from oak forests in Portugal (England’s oldest ally). Cork offered a much more effective seal.

Friary Brewery, Guildford

Saturday, May 22nd, 2010

We have had a reaquest via the Surrey Hants Borders CAMRA branch, as follows. If anyone can help please get in touch – on a personal note I would love to see any photos of the Friary Brewery. Thanks Jeff

Does anyone have any photographs of the Fermenting Room at the old Friary Brewery in Guildford post 1919?

I have been contacted by Paul Hughes who is holding an exhibition on hip replacements in Edinburgh later this year.  Apparently the airborne extraction system first used in the brewery was later developed and used in hip replacement surgery.

[See the attached comment for details of these images]

Friary Brewery - the fermentation stage 1Friary Brewery - the fermentation stage 2

Cannon Brewery, Guildford

Thursday, May 20th, 2010

I have had a query from Jeff Lloyd of Guildford concerning Lascelles Tickner’s Cannon Brewery on the Portsmouth Road, Guildford. He is building a model of this part of the town and is trying to find plans and photographs, including aerial shots showing the roof. There is one photograph and outline plan in Mark Sturley’s excellent book on Guildford breweries, but does anyone know of others? The brewery later became the Guildford Glass Works and then replaced by the CEGB building.

Cannon Brewery, Guildford

Regent Brewery in Stonehouse Plymouth, then Plymouth Breweries

Saturday, March 13th, 2010

Colin Vosper has asked:

Dear Jeff
I am researching family history connected to Curnow Vosper the artist whose father owned the Regent Brewery in Stonehouse Plymouth until it was taken over by or formed into Plymouth Breweries. In fact Samuel Vosper was recorded as managing director in 1902 of the Plymouth Breweries Group. Do you have any information about the formation of the group and indeed its following development and takeover within the Courage Brewery enterprise?
I have checked your website and seem to be unable to find anything so wondered if you could offer any suggestions or help.

Kind regards
Colin Vosper